Monday, May 20, 2013

Support Group Meeting


Tuesday 21st May


7.45pm
 
Glenview Hotel, Kilmacanogue 





Topics for discussion:

  • Assessment: Why, when, by whom. How to interpret and what to do with the report. 
  • Not fitting in 

Everyone is welcome, but it would be helpful if you could let us know if you are coming so that we have an idea of numbers. You can do this by leaving a comment below or dropping us a line through the "Contact Us" button. 


If any other support groups are having meetings, we are very happy to post a notice here too. Just send us the details!

Tuesday, May 14, 2013

Support Groups for Parents of Gifted Children in Ireland

Support groups are a great way for parents to get together and let off steam. They provide an opportunity to speak to others who may be experiencing similar difficulties to their own and who may have found solutions. It is a huge relief to discover that your children are actually “normal” after all!

Since the early days of our own group, Gifted Advocacy and Support (GAS), we have encouraged other parents around the country to form similar groups. We have done this through this blog, facebook and twitter and through speaking on several occasions at CTYI events. You may have come across Dazzled and Frazzled & Co handing out flyers at DCU on occasions!
Each marker on the map below represents an individual parent who either is or wants to be involved in a support group. Over time, we hope to add to the map so that everyone can find at least one parent within easy reach.


View GAS in a larger map 
Our hope is, firstly, to help other parents to find each other for support, but also to provide a means of communication between groups so that we can support and encourage each other. We also hope that we can all come together to work on any future advocacy efforts so that we have a louder, unified voice.

In order to help parents to find each other, we have added a new page to our blog: Find Support. There, we have a list of support groups. If you would like to be put in touch with one of these, or have a group which you would like added to the list, please let us know. If any of the details need updating, be sure and let us know too.

Although our primary focus is on parents, teachers who wish to join support groups are warmly welcomed. Parents and teachers have much to learn from each other when it comes to supporting gifted learners. When they work together and listen to each other, the children benefit enormously.

Sunday, May 5, 2013

Important Announcement



We would like to inform our readers that as of 1st May 2013 The Irish Gifted Education Blog, Gifted Advocacy and Support (GAS) Wicklow/Dublin, and Dazzled and Frazzled no longer have any association with the following organisations and individuals:

  • Gifted and Talented Ireland
  • Gifted and Talented Network Ireland
  • Peter Lydon

Through Gifted Advocacy and Support, we have been supporting parents and advocating for gifted children in Ireland since 2009. We are continuing to work with a strong group to advocate on behalf of gifted learners in Ireland. Our core committee is comprised of five members most of whom have been involved with GAS from its earliest meetings, and our total membership now extends to more than fifty. We have been active in encouraging other groups to set up similar support networks throughout Ireland and continue to work for grassroots, community-based group structures. The progress we have made speaks for itself but we need to keep moving forward to achieve our long-term goal of a better understanding of the needs of gifted children within Ireland’s education system in the future.

We appreciate the support we have received from friends far and wide and hope that we can continue to rely on your encouragement and involvement as we move on.

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

The Gifted Phoenix Manifesto For Gifted Education


The topic for discussion at our last #gtie chat was "The Gifted Phoenix Manifesto For Gifted Education".

Gifted Phoenix is the social media pseudonym of Tim Dracup, a former head of the English Gifted and Talented Unit. In that role, he clocked up ten years of experience in the drafting and implementation of national gifted education policy in the UK. 

For the past three years, he has been researching and writing about gifted education policy around the world on the Gifted Phoenix Blog. Tim has a very distinct writing style. His research is meticulous and his posts detailed and factual. He has an unusual ability to remain objective and unemotional. His blog has developed into an invaluable archive of research material, the likes of which you will not find anywhere else.

I always enjoy chats with @GiftedPhoenix because he is not afraid to say what he thinks, even if it jars with the general consensus . It's always far more interesting and exciting when people are prepared to call a spade a spade, don't you think? With @Peter_Lydon and @GiftedPhoenix, this one had great potential!
Tim explained that the Gifted Phoenix manifesto for Gifted Education was written to “encapsulate what I’d learned over 3 years of writing the blog...as a potential programme for change. A text that might attract broad consensus which advocates could use to convince skeptical policy makers (like  used to be) of the case for investment in gifted education”.

The Economic Argument: The economic argument highlights the economic benefits of investment in gifted education. Tim feels that this is part of the answer to the lack of growth that pertains at the moment. There are those who are uncomfortable, to varying degrees, with the use of the economic argument, on the basis that we should not politicise gifted children; that gifted children have special educational needs which deserve support regardless of any economic argument. I agree entirely with this sentiment but, I also feel that we need to be pragmatic. We have been arguing the case for gifted education for years and where has it got us? We have no consensus on what “gifted” is, never mind an effective, equitable programme of gifted education anywhere in the world, as far as I can see. We are all dancing about either trying to appear tolerant of each other’s views or taking umbrage with each other. The broad church model is all very well within the ranks but, let’s face it, if you were an unconverted policymaker, would you fork out some of your precious budget for some airy fairy cause whose advocates couldn’t even agree on a definition or a focus? Let’s be honest; the only thing which cuts any ice with policymakers is the economic argument. If emphasising this argument results in the needs of gifted students being met, then maybe this is what we need to do.

The social/emotional needs: Many, if not most, advocates are concerned about the social and emotional needs of gifted students. They would feel more comfortable if gifted students were promoted in a holistic way as individuals rather than purely as an economic resource. However, the Manifesto clearly states:
  • There should be integrated support for learners, educators and parents/carers, to maximise the benefits from synergy between these streams.
  • Five areas of engagement should also be synergised: learning, professional development, advocacy, research and policy-making.
I believe that, if we can use the economic argument to get the policymakers to adopt our suggested model, recognition of the social and emotional needs of these students will follow naturally. Consider all the current research on gifted students. Does the vast bulk of it not cover these issues? We have enormous amounts of research to show that gifted students have different needs and to show the possible consequences of not meeting them. But policymakers, and indeed most educators, have not shown much interest. It doesn't do much to convince the general public either. We need a different argument to get the door open!

The Elitist Argument: This is an entirely personal point of view but one which I believe the Manifesto addresses nicely. The current situation means that, for the most part, the gifted kids with the best chance of doing well in every sense, are the ones whose parents have the money to gain access to gifted education programmes, where they are available, or to enrichment programmes and extracurricular activities. We need a system which recognises and meets the needs of all gifted students no matter what their background or the wherewithal of their parents. That would blow the elitist argument out of the water. Not to mention that when excellence and equity is promoted within the education system as a whole, all students, not just the gifted ones benefit.

Evidence: In order to have any credibility, all arguments must be evidence-based. There is no room for wishy washy stuff and hunches here. We need good research to back everything up. As Tim points out, that means it must be available, not stashed behind paywalls where it is of no use to anyone outside the chosen few.

The stumbling Block: One huge stumbling block to progress will be the gifted community itself. Tim says,

we must move away determinedly from the disagreements, factions, cliques, petty rivalries, self-promotion and empire-building that characterise the community and work co-operatively together for the benefit of all gifted learners.”

That this is true can be seen very clearly in our tiny country where one individual on a mission to carve a personal profile managed to bring down our national organisation after thirty years of advocacy. Four years later, the politics of this still rumbles on subtly and, instead of all advocates working together, those of us striving to build a network of advocates and to bring about real change for gifted children in Ireland are constantly looking over our shoulders and watching what we say to whom. It is hard to bring people together while at the same time preventing vested interests and egos from undermining or hijacking our efforts in an attempt to self-promote. If a country as small as Ireland can’t get everyone pulling together, what hope do we have globally?  To succeed, this will require a lot of effort, determination and many spades!

Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Gifted Children and the Growth Mindset



On Monday, economist David McWilliams, wrote a piece called Tearing Down The Talent Idol which really disappointed me. Partly because of what he wrote and partly because he was someone whose writing I have generally admired. This time he chose to make throw away and damaging remarks about a subject with which he is clearly not familiar, but which is very dear to my heart. Although he doesn’t cite her in the piece, he says it is based on the research of Carol Dweck and her theory of Mindset. Dweck’s theory is that, rather than being something with which one is born, talent is something which can be developed by anyone if they have they believe they can improve and if they work at it. This is what she calls having a “growth mindset”. The opposite is a “fixed mindset”, whereby one believes talent is entirely innate. You either have it or you don’t. In The Secret to Raising Smart Kids, Dweck says that children

“who coast through the early grades under the dangerous notion that no-effort academic achievement defines them as smart or gifted. “Such children hold an implicit belief that intelligence is innate and fixed, making striving to learn seem far less important than being (or looking) smart. “This belief also makes them see challenges, mistakes and even the need to exert effort as threats to their ego rather than as opportunities to improve. “And it causes them to lose confidence and motivation when the work is no longer easy for them.”

My only problem is with how this theory is often quoted with the assumption that genetics play no role in intelligence. Dweck, to the best of my knowledge, makes no such claim. There has been a great deal of research over the years, much of which has been condensed and analysed by Robert Plomin in Genetics and Intelligence, which shows that some people are born with higher ability than others. It’s a nice idea, but does anyone really believe that everyone is born with the exactly the same level of intelligence? Are some people mentally disabled simply because they didn’t work hard enough? Talent most definitely requires work to develop, and the child with less inborn ability who puts in the work, may indeed surpass, in terms of achievement, the child born with higher ability but who does not work to develop it. Other than that, I entirely agree that each of us can develop our innate talent, probably more than we think.

So, what is my problem with McWilliam’s article then?

1. He refers to gifted children and their parents in very disparaging terms. Much as he may deny his intent, to put the term gifted in inverted commas and refer to the parents as Tiger mums and dads, can only be described as disparaging. What he doesn’t seem to understand is that in educational terms, gifted is the term used to refer to those children whose ability lies within the upper 5% of the population. Most people would accept that cognitive ability covers a spectrum. That’s how we come to have IQ scales and we don’t all score the same. Those at the lower end, we refer to as having mental disability. Those at the upper end are gifted. That means there are are 5 gifted children in every 100; one or two in every class of thirty in the country. They aren’t all prodigies and, for various reasons, they don’t all do well in school. They aren’t necessarily the well-behaved, studious, high-achievers which teachers would pick out as gifted. Neither do they all have pushy, competitive parents. Gifted children often have issues which can make school life difficult for them and most parents of genuinely gifted children are just happy to have them survive through the system in one piece with their love of learning and mental health intact. I question whether the Tiger parents to which McWilliams refers, actually have gifted children at all, or are they the competitive parents of high achievers?

2. Given that our education system is designed for the average student, unless we recognise and accept the existence of students with above average ability, how do they avoid being the child who “coasts through the early grades”? How does the child who taught himself to read at the age of 3, develop a growth mindset in a junior infant class where everyone is learning the letters of the alphabet? Parents of gifted children are not pushing for awareness because they think their children are better or more special than anyone else’s child. They simply want them to have the same chance to struggle, to fail and to learn to pick themselves up and try again, to persist...and to develop that growth mindset.

Let’s not forget that giftedness crosses all socioeconomic barriers. Unlike the lazy stereotype David would have us believe, it’s not a middle-class South County Dublin phenomenon. At least middle class children have a chance of being spotted and supported. What of the equally gifted child in, for example, inner city Dublin, whose parents didn’t complete second level education and of whom no one has any great expectations? What chance do they have of ever fulfilling their true potential?

That is why parents like those in our support group put so much effort into raising awareness of the needs of gifted children in Ireland. I would love to see a day when our education system was such that a gifted student in any classroom, regardless of background, would be spotted by their teacher and provided with the challenge necessary to develop their ability fully. Funnily enough, the methods which have been used in gifted and talented education for years are the very techniques which are recognised as the best for every student.

What I think we must guard against is a situation such as that in some other countries, where access to gifted education is open only to those with money or pushy parents. It should be available to every child who has the ability to learn at a faster pace and a deeper level than average. By making it part and parcel of our education system, it would allow these students develop growth mindsets and develop to their fullest without stigmatising them...or their parents.

When high profile individuals like David McWilliams trot out populist remarks which undermine our efforts and which perpetuate the damaging myths which surround the issue of giftedness, we can hardly be expected to sit back and let it ride. However, in trying to discuss the issue with David via Twitter, he tweeted that our “self-absorption” was “breathtaking". I guess we are just being treated as David was during the Celtic Tiger, when he was one of a very few economists who saw things differently to everyone else and wasn’t afraid to say it. I admired him for that and I expected  better of him.

Sunday, January 6, 2013

Did you miss the last few #gtie chats of 2012?


In case you missed them, here is a collection of the last few #gtie chats of 2012. Contributors came from all round the globe and there are some great references included in these write-ups. If you aren't comfortable with Twitter, you can follow the chats live without anyone knowing. Better still, you can join in! Tweetchat makes both options easy.

These links no longer work, as one individual has assumed control of GT Network and has revoked access for previous editors and authors. The posts themselves can still be found by searching the site, but authorship is now attributed to the site owner rather than the original author, Catherine Riordan. 


Monday, December 31, 2012

Happy New Year!


We have been rather quiet here on the Irish Gifted Education Blog for the past few months. However, that doesn't reflect a lack of interest or activity! Here's what we've been up to:

GAS: Our support group, GAS, has been meeting on an even more regular basis that usual and we have been joined by several new members. This has emphasised for us how important it is for parents to have somewhere to turn for support and advice and for comaraderie. New members bring freshness too, and we are delighted to have made so many interesting and enthusiastic new friends this year. 

Dazzled (aka Karen) has returned to UCD to do a Masters degree in cognitive science, with an emphasis on giftedness. While this has left her time limited, she hopes that it will ultimately be of benefit in her role as a gifted advocate. After only one term, she has learned a great deal of new information and I look forward to seeing some of it appear here ;-)

Frazzled (aka me) has been devoting her time to running Gifted and Talented Network Ireland with Peter Lydon. This entails helping with #gtie on Sunday nights and writing up the summaries afterwards. Hence the lack of posts on this site...I can only write so much! We have also managed to get several new support groups up and running around the country. One development which may be of interest, if your kids attend CTYI at DCU on Saturdays, is the plan for a regular coffee get together for parents in the Zero One Restaurant while kids are at classes. This means that, instead of hanging round at a loose end in the cold, you can have a nice seat and cup of coffee and you can meet other parents of gifted children for a chat.

Meanwhile, we would like to wish you all a very Happy New Year. Let's hope 2013 is a year of positive development.

Update May 2013: Karen and Catherine are no longer collaborating with Gifted and Talented Network Ireland, which is now run solely by Peter. Instead, they have reverted to pursuing their goals through their support group and this blog. You can keep track of our progress on the Support Group page of this blog. If you are looking for a support group in your area, check out our new page, Find Support,

Sunday, November 25, 2012

Look What You're Missing!



I know many of you are a bit dismissive of Twitter or think you wouldn't be able to manage it, but we have had some very interesting chats about gifted issues at #gtie this term and we have more to come. You may like to read what you missed so far:





These links no longer work, as one individual has assumed control of GT Network and has  revoked access for previous editors and authors. The posts themselves can still be found by searching the site, but authorship is now attributed to the site owner rather than the original author, Catherine Riordan.

Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Gifted Girls

The topic for our most recent #gtie was “Gifted Girls”.

The transcript is available here

It is a topic about which much research has been done and below is a summary of our chat with a collection of the links that informed it. Firstly, I hope it encourages you to come along and join us for a chat on Sunday evenings at 9pm. If you need instructions, check out our Twitter Guide. Secondly, I hope you find the information useful and interesting.

Bonus feature if you make it to the end!



  • It seems that parents, teachers, society in general, all treat girls differently, even inadvertently. Girls internalise it.
  • Teachers are more likely to attribute achievement in boys to ability but to hard work in girls.
  • Gifted girls hide intellectual ability in order to conform to their peer group norms.
  • Research suggests that girls try to avoid competition in order to preserve relationships.
  • Take a look at their moms. Some model this - "I have their dad help with their math homework."
  • By early teens, girls learn that to fit in, they can't be too smart, so they dumb down. Then they lose confidence in their ability as they get older.
  • Reis also mentions girls thinking they need high grades to succeed, boys don't.
  • Certainly they (feel) they have to work harder than men to be seen as 'worth the job'
  • The fall off happens in middle school, apparently. When fitting in with their peer group becomes their driving need.
  • How much is the fall off the result of media and advertising portrayal of women? Ads tend to be gender stereotype ads.
  • It seems to be the result of messages from parents, teachers, peers and, no doubt, the media.
  • Society doesn't always help: we had a stupid "I'm too pretty to do math" t-shirt debacle last summer over here.
  • How can parents affirm their girls’ intelligence? Can they do it without making them 'tomboy-ish'? - though aware of the values there!
  • Girls are taught to be pleasant and polite. Boys can be leaders, but girls get labelled bossy!
  • It’s important for mothers to model being smart and for fathers to respect smart women.
  • Interesting; I see girls "hide" their intelligence in middle school and I can see why research indicated this
  • The top three legal positions in Ireland are now held by women for the first time.
  • Standardized tests with short fill-in or multiple choice type answers reward bold, quick answers and willingness to take risks, characteristics more typical of boys than girls
  • My best support was my parents. They challenged me not to fit in. To stand out. What I encourage in girls.
  • An ad released by EU to encourage women to get into science - see what you think http://t.co/wSeOT8m3
  • Good grief!
  • What messages do we need to say to gifted girls to get them to accept their ability?
  • Mentors are invaluable for girls and women. Make more of a difference than for men.
  • We need to start very early by being aware of the subtle messages we give them, even without meaning to.
  • In all things, the clothes they wear, programmes on TV they watch etc
  • Very much agreed: older mentors would be very helpful (either gender)--share successes, pitfalls, etc!
  • There are some great role models out there now, such as @aoifemcl and @aoibhinn_ni_s (Aoife McLysaght and Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin)
  • I think men/fathers have an important role there too. I wonder should ante-natal classes include a bit on gender stereotypes?
  • When I said start early, Peter......!!!
  • We need to get parents BEFORE the pink baby-suit!

Social and Emotional Issues Faced by Gifted Girls in Elementary and Secondary School by Dr. Sally Reis. This is well worth a read as it covers just about everything.


Many Gifted Girls, Few Eminent Women: Why? by Anita Gurian, PhD Focuses on possible reasons why giftedness in many girls fades as they grow older. Another great read.

Gifted Girls by Joan Franklin Smutny Particularly useful for teachers wishing to identify gifted girls in the classroom and to bring out their talent.

Why Smart Girls Abandon Their Dreams and How to Stop It by Dr Barbara Kerr.
"If we want smart girls to become not just experts but innovators, we need to encourage their taking on challenges, letting go of perfectionism and bouncing back from mistakes. We need to promote time alone and de-emphasize the need to be liked. We need to help them learn that their bodies are not their identities."

Smart Girls: A New Psychology of Girls, Women, and Giftedness by Dr Barbara Kerr.


Gifted Girls’ Passion for Fiction: The Quest for Meaning, Growth, and Self-Actualization by Susan Lee Stutler

"Time spent in solitude reading fiction helped the girls overcome adversity, allowed them to resist enculturation, and caused them to question the split between the way things are and they way things should be. The girls used fiction to self-educate as they began to realize their lives’ purpose."

Helping Gifted Girls Reach Their Potential by Dr Linda Kreger Silverman


Do Gifted Girls & Boys Interpret Difficulty Differently?

"Bright girls were much quicker to doubt their ability, to lose confidence, and to become less effective learners as a result." Carol Dweck.

Hoagies list of books for/about gifted girls


"You Could Be Doing Brain Surgery”: Gifted Girls Becoming Teachers by Colleen Willard-Holt.

"There is little question that our society desperately needs teachers who are gifted. Yet gifted students who express an interest in a teaching career are often discouraged by family members, friends, teachers, and counselors."

Parenting Gifted Girls: Focus on Math, Science and Technology by Ann Lupkowski-Shoplik, Ph.D., and Pamela J. Piskurich, M.S.


Perfectionism: The Crucible of Giftedness by Dr Linda Kreger Silverman


2 extras:

Career Counselling: Special Problems of Gifted Girls by Dr Linda Kreger Silverman

Gifted Girls to Gifted Women presentation by Lori Comallie-Caplan There is a huge amount of information in here.



And, now your reward:

Women: Know Your Limits!
Thank you Peter Lydon, for this little gem!

Monday, October 15, 2012

Support Group Meeting

Tuesday 16th October

7.45pm

Glenview Hotel

Anyone with an interest in gifted issues is welcome to come along, but so that we have an idea of numbers, please drop us a line to gas.wicklowdublin@gmail.com